DeckWise (Black) Ipe Clip Extreme 4 Hidden Deck Fasteners, 5/32" Gap, Stainless Steel Black #8x2" Trim-Head Screws for 100 Sq.Ft. of AD and KD Hardwood, Thermal or Composite Decks (175 ct. kit)

I really tried to make the Ipe clips work. I spent $600.00 on 5 boxes of clips. I spent several days assembling & disassembling my hardwood deck boards to the deck joists. I watched all the available videos on installation. I talked to representitives at both the hardwood company and the Ipe clip manufacturer.When you secure the deck boards securely to the joists, it distorts the Ipe clip and the next deck board will not slide into the installed clips. If you try to force the deck board into the installed clips, the plastic separates from the metal, and you destroy the clip. The only way the clips will work, is if you, keep the clip loose. To me, this is unexceptable because means you cannot securely attach the deck board to the deck joists. There will be a gap between the deck board and the joist, and it will get worse with age. Amazon refunded me for 2 boxes of unopened clips I bought from them, the hardwood company refunded me for 2 unopened boxes of 3 I bought from them, and I had to absorb the $120.00 loss for the opened box I used.I want a solid connection between the deck board and the joists so I will be using the tried and true method of larger #10 x 2-1/2 stainless steel screws through the face of the deck boards to the joist. They are 1/3 the cost and 1/2 the installation time.